Tuesday, July 01, 2008

Oh sure, blame it on the women

According to Bruce Ware, a professor of Christian theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Kentucky, women and men are both sinful. Okay sure, I've heard that before.

Oh, but wait.

The woman's sin: wanting her own way instead of submitting to her husband.
The man's sin: responding to her threat to his authority by either, 1) beating her; or 2) becoming passive, saying "Yes, dear," "Fine, dear," "Whatever you say, dear."

Commenting on selected passages from the first three chapters of Genesis, Ware said Eve's curse in the Garden of Eden meant "her desire will be to have her way" instead of her obeying her husband, "because she's a sinner."


"And husbands on their parts, because they're sinners, now respond to that threat to their authority either by being abusive, which is of course one of the ways men can respond when their authority is challenged--or, more commonly, to become passive, acquiescent, and simply not asserting the leadership they ought to as men in their homes and in churches," Ware said from the pulpit of Denton Bible Church in Denton, Texas.

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Oh dear. So, men, in order to assert the "leadership they ought to as men in their homes" would be better by being abusive? Wait, what is he trying to say?

Those crazy Southern Baptists!

As anyone who knows me knows, there is NO WAY that a man can expect me to submit to him. Ah, sweet Eric :-) I am, ahem, quite strong-willed.

So if some pastor was telling Eric that he should abuse me in order to reaffirm his authority? Oh no, there is no way I'd stand for that!

It's a wonder any woman is religious.


  1. I have a couple friends who's husbands have ended up being abusive SOB bastards. Its how they show they're men because I guess they're 1. totally screwed up, and 2. looking for other ways to feel better about themselves.

    Anyway, I can see and understand the biblical commandment to submit to your husband. But seriuosly, it all goes out the window when your husband isn't doing the right thing (whatever that means to you).

    I love Reed, I really do. But he knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that if he ever did anything like that I'd be gone and he'd be beaten to a bloody pulp by any number of friends and family members.

    And seriously, God or (higher organizing matter) gave women minds of their own for a reason. If we're all damned to hell because we thought for ourselves and did what we felt was right then so be it. At least then you'll be in hell for a reason you believe and understand.

    (I have no idea if that makes any sense at all and as far as the language, I am sure your family and sisters read this, spousal abuse is pretty much the only thing that gets me swearing....and oh how it does)

  2. Oh, how I love to see a woman fired up :-) Seriously, though, what is it about some men that makes them think behavior like this is acceptable? I mean, besides preachers in Texas/Kentucky saying that it is, of course.

    Can I just say again, though, how great it is when a woman stands up for herself? Really. Thanks Angela!

  3. I'm not certain where the middle ground would be. He offers just two solutions for a husband whose wife voices an opions ... acquiesce or abuse. So to avoid sin, what should that man do? Ignore her?! Very absurd doctrine ...

  4. This is such a misunderstanding of the text! Ah! I've heard it so many times in so many different ways, it sickens me. Here is where they get this from:

    (from the article) -Commenting on selected passages from the first three chapters of Genesis, Ware said Eve's curse in the Garden of Eden meant "her desire will be to have her way" instead of her obeying her husband, "because she's a sinner."

    The text from the Hebrew reads her "tesucah" will be for her husband. Tesucah indicates a desire or longing for something that can't deliver what you need it to. Think of the middle-aged man who thinks that new sports car will make him happy. That's tesucah.

    So, the "curse" -which the ancient teachers called "observations" was that a woman will look for her worth in other people, (specifically men). And the "observation" about men? They will have this desire to conquest and rule over others and otherwise have a tendency to want to exploit this characteristic in women.

    The bottom line this is NOT the ideal. I will never get why some religious, (mainly men) see this as some sort of ideal. Unless perhaps it's the "curse" of men showing it's head. The need to rule over others in some way shape or form.

    Submission is such a beautiful picture when it's in the right light. -Caring for someone else's needs like you would for yourself. This light makes it so ugly.

  5. Hey Michelle. It doesn't really matter what this pastor said. What matters is what God (Scripture) says. In Ephesians 5:33 it says, "each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself and the wife respect her husband." Ephesians also says that the husband must love his wife as Christ loved the church. Christ DIED for the church!! If a husband is loving his wife the way he loves himself and the way Christ loved the church, it is soooo easy to "submit" and/or respect him. We are all EQUAL in God's eyes, we just have different ROLES. God would never stand for a man beating or abusing his wife in any way!



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